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Post by moparsteve on Jul 22, 2021 11:50:30 GMT 12
Good Morning
I read in your latest news letter that multiple wheel sizes on a car are only available with an EDP. One of my cars has been certified with multiple wheel sizes 3 years ago using the old cert plate system. I was intending to get another car re-certified for different wheels as well but don't want an EDP on the car.
2nd question is with pics of the car on the EDP with the wheels on it as certified what happens if the owner wants to change from say SS Cragar to smoothies. That is using same diameter width back space etc wheel.
And while I'm asking I have noticed fibreglass cars x USA but built there pre 1992 that only have 1 windscreen wiper. Some are relatively recent imports. Is that ok for an old glass car.
Thanks Steve
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Post by Chris on Jul 22, 2021 15:52:47 GMT 12
Good Morning I read in your latest news letter that multiple wheel sizes on a car are only available with an EDP. One of my cars has been certified with multiple wheel sizes 3 years ago using the old cert plate system. I was intending to get another car re-certified for different wheels as well but don't want an EDP on the car. 2nd question is with pics of the car on the EDP with the wheels on it as certified what happens if the owner wants to change from say SS Cragar to smoothies. That is using same diameter width back space etc wheel. And while I'm asking I have noticed fibreglass cars x USA but built there pre 1992 that only have 1 windscreen wiper. Some are relatively recent imports. Is that ok for an old glass car. Thanks Steve Hi Steve 1: You have always been able to get a vehicle certified for two sets of wheels, what the article is saying is that with the EDP it is easier to facilitate. 2: If you change wheels from the wheels it was certified with, even if they are the same size, you have always had to get the wheels recertified. This is why we have a more simpler and cheaper process for recertifying wheels only. 3: If an uncertified vehicle can be proven to have been completed prior to a requirement coming into force then the requirements of the time of completion can be applied at time of certification. Cheers Chris
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Post by moparsteve on Jul 22, 2021 18:58:00 GMT 12
Hi Chris
Thanks for the info
The newsletter states "this option of multiple wheels is only available with an EDP". So does that mean a car with an old cert plate cannot have wheels added to its details now without having a EDP. Does that necessitate a full photo shoot with the certifier
Where can I see details re the simple cheaper process for certifying wheels. I've missed that. Must be a significant number of pre 49 cars on the road using different wheels to those they were certified with. Most of them using similar size but not identical wheels. Was always $550 so nobody bothered and it wasn't a problem till these EDP's as the wheels were close enough to what the cert plate said so there wasn't a problem. Or just put the old wheels back on for a WOF. Cheaper process sounds great. 50 bucks or so will be fine.
And re wipers what is the date of the requirement to have 2 wipers on a scratch built car. And what is the date to have 3 wipers on a chopped scratch built car.
Regards
Steve
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Post by Chris on Jul 23, 2021 9:36:52 GMT 12
Hi Chris Thanks for the info The newsletter states "this option of multiple wheels is only available with an EDP". So does that mean a car with an old cert plate cannot have wheels added to its details now without having a EDP. Does that necessitate a full photo shoot with the certifier Where can I see details re the simple cheaper process for certifying wheels. I've missed that. Must be a significant number of pre 49 cars on the road using different wheels to those they were certified with. Most of them using similar size but not identical wheels. Was always $550 so nobody bothered and it wasn't a problem till these EDP's as the wheels were close enough to what the cert plate said so there wasn't a problem. Or just put the old wheels back on for a WOF. Cheaper process sounds great. 50 bucks or so will be fine. And re wipers what is the date of the requirement to have 2 wipers on a scratch built car. And what is the date to have 3 wipers on a chopped scratch built car. Regards Steve Hiya Steve Further modifying your vehicle (including a change of wheels) after certification has always required recertification, this is not a new thing, but many modified vehicle owners have neglected to do this. Recertification for all vehicles now require a change from the engraved plate to an Electronic Data Plate (EDP) and on top of the usual vehicle and modification information, an EDP requires a series of identification photos and a photo of every visible modification. It sounds like you have some concerns regarding EDP's if you can email tech@lvvta.org.nz you can communicate those concerns with me and I can see what I can do to put those concerns to bed. There are all kinds of conspiracy theories out there, but I can assure you that they don't contain any data on the EDP, nor are they 5G linked police tracking devices The cheaper wheels and tyres re-cert is an internal process to make it less of a burden for vehicle owners to change wheels, LVVTA charge the certifier a "reprint" fee as opposed to a "full certification" fee. A reprint fee is around a quarter of the cost of a full cert but there is the certifiers time and costs on top of that. How much a certifier charges is their own business and we do not set what a certifier can or should charge. Regarding wipers, it gets easier to meet LVV requirements with more wipers, especially so with more radically chopped windscreens. The requirements regarding windscreen wiping are... The Code of Construction which was implemented in November 1990 says - all vehicles fitted with a windscreen and registered after January 1992 must have no large un-swept area other than at the top left hand side of the windscreen, and below the driver's view over the engine hood or front of the vehicle (top right side of screen for LHD vehicles) There must be no un-swept area of the windscreen immediately in front of and around the drivers normal forward line of vision. The Car Construction Manual which was implemented in November 2010 says - all vehicles fitted with a windscreen provides a swept area such that no significant area of the windscreen remains un-swept by the wipers, other than for the areas at the top of the intersection points of the wipers swept areas and the areas at the outer-most upper corners of the windscreen. Note: 1976 Traffic Regulations says - for vehicles registered prior to January 1992 - require at least one mechanically operated windscreen wiper. Hopefully that answers your questions. Cheers Chris
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Post by moparsteve on Jul 23, 2021 10:10:35 GMT 12
Hi Chris
Thanks again for clarification
I assume a change of tyre size also needs re cert then.
No conspiracy theory's on EDP and haven't heard any. Rodders concerns are it makes it easier to get caught with uncertified modifications especially wheels and us old guys don't even know what 5G is. If the only reduction of cost for wheel recertification is at the LVVTA end there's not much potential for cost reduction if the certifier has to do a full car photo shoot. I'll check with him but might avoid that and stay with the old plate.
And pre 1992 only 1 windscreen wiper sounds good to me. I'll ensure my certifier is aware of that.
Thank you for your help
Regards
Steve
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Post by Chris on Jul 23, 2021 10:46:33 GMT 12
Hi Chris Thanks again for clarification I assume a change of tyre size also needs re cert then. No conspiracy theory's on EDP and haven't heard any. Rodders concerns are it makes it easier to get caught with uncertified modifications especially wheels and us old guys don't even know what 5G is. If the only reduction of cost for wheel recertification is at the LVVTA end there's not much potential for cost reduction if the certifier has to do a full car photo shoot. I'll check with him but might avoid that and stay with the old plate. And pre 1992 only 1 windscreen wiper sounds good to me. I'll ensure my certifier is aware of that. Thank you for your help Regards Steve Hi Steve Yes, a change in tyre size would require recertification, as you may find your braking balance or efficiency has changed. For wipers, the requirements at the time of modification apply, for instance if you chop your screen in 2018, then you will need to meet the 2010 requirements but if your windscreen was chopped before 1992 (and there is suitable evidence to confirm that) then you would only require 1 wiper. Also if a modifier is concerned about being "caught with uncertified modifications" then don't you think the problem lies with the modifier, and not the system? Cheers Chris
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Post by moparsteve on Jul 23, 2021 12:08:02 GMT 12
Hi Chris
I doubt many would realise about changing tyres needing re cert.
We know that rodders are the problem and that isn't likely to change. So long as we behave on the road and if stopped our cars have rego and WOF and the driver has grey hair the police have little interest in spending their time checking cert details as they have more important issues with gangs and drugs and crime etc. I have found in my later years the officers are very respectful unlike when I was a teenager, even apologise for giving a ticket. Its only at WOF time issues may arise.
Most of us have no interest in protesting or fighting the system but just need to be aware of exactly what effect changes to it make to us so we can best discreetly manage what we choose to do to our vehicles (I think most would have thought different wheels of same spec was ok). The EDP will make things inconvenient at WOF time vs the old cert plate but if the cost of re certing wheel and tyre and other minor changes are not prohibitive maybe we will do that in the future.
Thank you for your time.
Regards
Steve
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Post by ghibb on Aug 31, 2021 23:42:52 GMT 12
Hi Chris Thanks again for clarification I assume a change of tyre size also needs re cert then. No conspiracy theory's on EDP and haven't heard any. Rodders concerns are it makes it easier to get caught with uncertified modifications especially wheels and us old guys don't even know what 5G is. If the only reduction of cost for wheel recertification is at the LVVTA end there's not much potential for cost reduction if the certifier has to do a full car photo shoot. I'll check with him but might avoid that and stay with the old plate. And pre 1992 only 1 windscreen wiper sounds good to me. I'll ensure my certifier is aware of that. Thank you for your help Regards Steve Hi Steve Yes, a change in tyre size would require recertification, as you may find your braking balance or efficiency has changed. For wipers, the requirements at the time of modification apply, for instance if you chop your screen in 2018, then you will need to meet the 2010 requirements but if your windscreen was chopped before 1992 (and there is suitable evidence to confirm that) then you would only require 1 wiper. Also if a modifier is concerned about being "caught with uncertified modifications" then don't you think the problem lies with the modifier, and not the system? Cheers Chris This is the craziest rule in the whole system,surely a % based system on tire sizing would make more sense?
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